Monday, March 30, 2015

Bert Takes On St.Thomas Aquinas: Anyone Who Believes Demons Inhabit The Atmosphere Above 29,050 Feet Must Be Mentally Ill

Bert March 29, 2015 at 7:49 PM You are a perversion of the truth. You should be ashamed of your lies. You offer no proof to your assertions, but then anyone who believes demons inhabit the atmosphere above 29500 feet must be mentally ill. Gwt help you sad, snivelling little man.
Bert takes on St. Thomas Aquinas in comment he made on post Muslim Convert Co-Pilot Andreas Günter Lubitz Committed Jihad By DELIBERATELY Slamming The Plane Into The Mountain! Murdering All On Board

Maybe Bert doesn't know that the assertion that demons inhabit the darksome atmosphere is a product of the mind of St. Thomas Aquinas. Bert doesn't understand that this boundary of 29,050 ft or 15 cubits above the mountain tops that man must not pass over is Catholic doctrine.

Bert fails to realize that the 29,050 foot boundary is the level that the smoke of pagan sacrifices reached.

Bert fails to realize that the 29,050 foot boundary is the level that the waters of the deluge reached in order to cleanse the world of sin - to cleanse the world of all the works of men.

Bert fails to realize that the 29,050 foot boundary is the same level the tower of Babel reached before God came down and paid a visit knocking the tower over with his Finger.

Bert fails to realize that the 29,050 foot boundary is the same level that the fire of the final conflagration will reach at the end of days destroying all the works of men both holy and profane works.

And of  course Bert fails to realize that at the end of days or before all the works of men both holy and profane must be at or below this 29,050 foot boundary - which of course means that all the space works shot into space these last fifty years or so must be brought back to below this 29,050 foot boundary in order to burn up in the fire of the final conflagration.

Bert and the lot of don't believe in any of this Catholic dogma from the pen of  St.Thomas Aquinas - but you retards believe in  life on other worlds and space aliens and other such nonsense.

Oh.....and to prove the truth of the doctrine of the 29,050 foot boundary that men must not pass over and the doctrine on the habitat of the demons above the 29,050 foot boundary there will be greater wonders and horrifying events to terrify the lot of you. Many unexplained and bizarre behavior on flights passengers and crew members acting as if there are possessed by demons because they are. Many pilots like Lubitz who will crash planes killing all on board. Problems with the International Space Station and bizarre behavior of its crew members. Problems with satellites etc...

Face the fact - modern man invaded the habitat of Demons - what do you think the demons are gonna do? If the demons are pissed at man already (and they are) how much more will the demons be knowing that modern man is invading their habitat on a hourly basis.

Oh and if you don't believe me  - then please by all means find a den of lions and invade that den - oh and please bring your cell phone to film the meeting of man and lions in their habitat and as your last act upload the video to youtube so we can all have a laugh or two...

Here in case you missed it is St.Thomas Aquinas on the place where demons inhabit:

Summa Th. I EN Qu.64 a.4

Article: 4 Whether our atmosphere is the demons' place of punishment?


1. It would seem that this atmosphere is not the demons' place of punishment. For a demon is a spiritual nature. But a spiritual nature is not affected by place. Therefore there is no place of punishment for demons.

2. Further, man's sin is not graver than the demons'. But man's place of punishment is hell. Much more, therefore, is it the demons' place of punishment; and consequently not the darksome atmosphere.

3. Further, the demons are punished with the pain of fire. But there is no fire in the darksome atmosphere. Therefore the darksome atmosphere is not the place of punishment for the demons.

On the contrary Augustine says (Gn ad lit. iii, 10), that "the darksome atmosphere is as a prison to the demons until the judgment day."

I answer that The angels in their own nature stand midway between God and men. Now the order of Divine providence so disposes, that it procures the welfare of the inferior orders through the superior. But man's welfare is disposed by Divine providence in two ways: first of all, directly, when a man is brought unto good and withheld from evil; and this is fittingly done through the good angels. In another way, indirectly, as when anyone assailed is exercised by fighting against opposition. It was fitting for this procuring of man's welfare to be brought about through the wicked spirits, lest they should cease to be of service in the natural order. Consequently a twofold place of punishment is due to the demons: one, by reason of their sin, and this is hell; and another, in order that they may tempt men, and thus the darksome atmosphere is their due place of punishment. Now the procuring of men's salvation is prolonged even to the judgment day: consequently, the ministry of the angels and wrestling with demons endure until then. Hence until then the good angels are sent to us here; and the demons are in this dark atmosphere for our trial: although some of them are even now in hell, to torment those whom they have led astray; just as some of the good angels are with the holy souls in heaven. But after the judgment day all the wicked, both men and angels, will be in hell, and the good in heaven.

Reply to Objection:

1. A place is not penal to angel or soul as if affecting the nature by changing it, but as affecting the will by saddening it: because the angel or the soul apprehends that it is in a place not agreeable to its will.

2. One soul is not set over another in the order of nature, as the demons are over men in the order of nature; consequently there is no parallel.

3. Some have maintained that the pain of sense for demons and souls is postponed until the judgment day: and that the beatitude of the saints is likewise postponed until the judgment day. But this is erroneous, and contrary to the teaching of the Apostle (2Co 5,1): "If our earthly house of this habitation be dissolved, we have a house in heaven." Others, again, while not admitting the same of souls, admit it as to demons. But it is better to say that the same judgment is passed upon wicked souls and wicked angels, even as on good souls and good angels.

Consequently, it must be said that, although a heavenly place belongs to the glory of the angels, yet their glory is not lessened by their coming to us, for they consider that place to be their own; in the same way as we say that the bishop's honor is not lessened while he is not actually sitting on his throne. In like manner it must be said, that although the demons are not actually bound within the fire of hell while they are in this dark atmosphere, nevertheless their punishment is none the less; because they know that such confinement is their due. Hence it is said in a gloss upon Jc 3,6: "They carry fire of hell with them wherever they go." Nor is this contrary to what is said (Lc 8,31), "They besought the Lord not to cast them into the abyss"; for they asked for this, deeming it to be a punishment for them to be cast out of a place where they could injure men. Hence it is stated, "They [Vulg. 'He'] besought Him that He would not expel them [Vulg. 'him'] out of the country" (Mc 5,10).

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